Wednesday, July 14, 2010

The first post of a debate about Bill Bennet's straight shooting.

Jim_68

I respect what your saying,
However you didn't include definitions that undermine your thesis.

Ie:Fascists view egalitarianism, materialism, and rationalism as failed elements ; it appears, and has drawn a wide range of cultural and intellectual currents, both left and right, anti-modern and pro-modern, to articulate itself as a body of ideas, slogans, and doctrine; abandons democratic liberties and pursues with redemptive violence and without ethical or legal restraints goals of internal cleansing and external expansion.[

Fascism can apply to a group that will go to any length to satisfy its myth and impose that myth even against the majority.

Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/Energy+Minister+Bill+Bennett+sorry+calling+provincial+park+proponents+fascists/3273799/story.html#ixzz0tgpOWbyZ

My previous post (definition) was not my own, it was just from a quote. It is true fascism generally refers to a form nationalist governments, around the middle of the last century. That much is obvious.

Here is the root:

Etymologically, fascio and fasces form the word.
It was a term used first of all in ancient Rome to describe a bundle of sticks, and later to refer to guilds and groups.

So philosophically, the original sense the idea of fascism had to so with concept of a bundle of sticks in the form of strongmen. These strongmen could then propagate the myth of the movement, never give in, never back down, create total subjugation
if not ideologues and radicals.

But the nationalist lens obscures the core concept. If you use a narrow definition like he provided. The narrow definition applies to National governments.

But here is the rub:
Anon actually demonstrates that fascism is not bound by its purely political terms. Because Fascism in the political sense , was extremely
anti-internationalist. Its core belief was in Stateism.
So your referencing it referring to the Corporate world, NAFTA and Tilma, is incorrect use of the term to point of fact you are actually more aligning yourself to fascism--without knowing it. Because the anti-globalist movement is Anti-internationalist, and implies Stateism (the sovereign power of the individual country) if not out right Anarchy,
Discounting the latter, another evidence is leaning towards fascism is that the anti-globalist movement is highly ideologically driven. And a few thousand at the G20, with the Black Bloc included seem to demonstrate their ideology ought to be imposed on the rest of society! The term you want is: Globalism.

That said Anon has a good point to make, IF you accept the philosophical idea behind the term. Globalism is a concerning thing. My argument case in point: It is the US who have influenced policy visa vis the Flathead. Nations influencing each other is globalism. Nations influencing public policy, commerce & industry especially when it removes fundamental rights, in that precede confederation...in another country... yeah that is globalism.
I don't like it either.

And Bill did no wrong calling this rabid mindless eco-cult out here fascist. I wish we could keep them out of the schools. Its pathetic. Young people with so much potential through the garberator.

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