Thursday, September 30, 2010

Opinon on opiniion in Don Martin's book.

Re Don Martin's smear of the PM in his book:
 
Even if none of this book is true, even if it is debunked line upon line,
There will still be people who would believe it before the facts, and not change their opinion in spite of them.

Read more: http://www.nationalpost.com/news/canada/Book%20Harper%20seeing%20Liberal/3604905/story.html?plckItemsPerPage=20&plckFindCommentKey=CommentKey:4e619a13-eb52-4373-abbb-b46dc6dc594f#pluck_comments_list#ixzz113GeB6Rs

2 people died in a shoot out in Toronto...

There goes our 66-104 million dollar gun registry--hard at work.
(its not 4mil that was mis-reported. It was supposed to be an efficiency saving in the report--check it out.)

Well police cheif Blair, hows that gun registry making your job any easier...

OH right, its one of your peons that have to go break the news to the families.

Sure am glad you yapped about its effectiveness... Irrelevant and expensive garbage.

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2010/09/30/toornto-homicides.html#socialcomments#ixzz112RYUmu3

What the Analists Say: Canada's GDP

http://business.financialpost.com/2010/09/30/what-the-analysts-say-canadas-gdp/

So the economy declined .1% in July.  And inflation numbers look flat.

Surprise surprise.  I told Mr. Carney those interest rate hikes were too soon.  As if he would ever listen to the likes of me.  The economy is too fragile.  The rebound does not reach every corner of the economy.  Businesses are still failing--unable to recover from the past 2 years.

Monday, September 27, 2010

Flagherty Ragging

Bah humbug!! The ragging about deficit spending is so old, and so well answered, I wonder if there are bots on the boards. In case you haven't gotten out lately the last 2 years have been extremely challenging times.
50Billion in spending is peanuts. In the past 19 months Obama has racked up a 2.65 trillion dollar deficit.
If we were lock step with them as we often are, our defecit would be 265 billion, in stead of 50.

And yet there are these complainers to rag at this ad nauseum. Exceptional times call for exceptional measures. Why doesn't that get through to some people? Are they partisan shills? I mean if we are going to have a debate, score some innovative thought-provoking points---Not the same-old same-old stuff.
I am small c conservative, but its as plain as day that we needed to do this stimulus. The world was on the edge of a flipping depression for *od's sake. Does no one know the difference between a structural deficit and a stimulus deficit? Would you expect Canada to be the only country in the western world to hold back stimulus--it would be suicide. In fact, compared to the raging printing presses to the south, I am worried we didn't print enough money ourselves. The plummeting US dollar is to be expected, and they are going to pull our currency down with them, no matter what our interest rate, deficit, or budget. Deflation is happening, we just are not aware of it yet.

Canada has a plan to be back in a balanced budget in a couple years. That is extraordinary.
We stride the precipitous ridges, remarkably up right

Read more: http://www.financialpost.com/news/Ottawa%20wind%20down%20stimulus%20plan/3585415/story.html#ixzz10ky81Jv8

Sunday, September 26, 2010

Cancer in Ft Mac?

I would like to see the results of the full study.

Some people know this first nation group has exhibited rare cancers, and ill-health for a hundred years at least.

Some people know that along the banks of the Athabasca bitumen has been seeping for thousands of years at least. Some people know where the seeps are worst is where the companies mine first. The net result will be a big drop in the natural contaminants of the river.

I would expect that it is in those places these pollution rates are highes, since it is the source of both river contaminants and bitumen.  What I want to see is the environmental review now commissioned.  Few people know the care that is undertaken to keep contaminants from the system.  If there is a leak from oilsands development, then show us the numbers.

I don't know how the first nations band is treated at Ft. Chip.  Do they not get some sort of royalty?
Is there not some sort of set up for water sources that are clean and pure?  I know there are many lakes all around that can be fished aside from Athabasca.  I would have been fishing from there for the last 100 years. 

Thursday, September 23, 2010

A very important piece on the birth and growth of the Canadian Debt.

As much as the die hard liberal voter want to deny the truth, the history books won't let them. It always concerns me when people remember historic events but only go back so far in history. Where do you think the debt came from before Mulroney? Our past debt was left by My Charisma himself, Trudeau, inflated by 16-20%+ interest rates in the Mulroney era. That is why I had to save this following comment from A Catherine:   "I am a retired federal government employee who worked under the Trudeau government, who took Canada from a $18 billion debt left over from WW11, when he took office in 1967, & turned into a $271 billion dollar debt, created by massive out of control spending, & lack of balanced budgets the full 16 years he was in power. He grew the National Debt by 1100%.   The Interest owing on that debt after he left office and Mulroney took power in 1984, was $30 billion per year which ate into the Mulroney budgets the full 8 years he was in office. Mulroney managed to pay down $42 billion down on the Trudeau debt, and balanced his budgets every year, however, the interest owing on the Trudeau debt caused him to declare deficits most of his time in power.   Chretien came to power in 1993, the Trudeau debt had grown to $471 billion because of the massive interest charges on the debt. Chretien began his own spending spree in 1993 that grew the debt by another 200% by 1996, bringing the National Debt to $521 billion, before he was forced to take notice by the Bonding Agents who downgraded Canada's  Read more:

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/09/23/united-nations-canada-security-council.html#socialcomments#ixzz10NQ3jsbI

Monday, September 20, 2010

Dimmano's Article on Spousal stats and the Long Gun Registry

Had some trouble accessing this Rosie, didn't want to lose it by your newspaper purging it from the website:  Hope its ok...

When domestic violence turns deadly in Canada, killers are far more likely to reach for a knife than a gun.
However impetuously spouse-on-spouse homicide may occur — such murders are rarely plotted before the fatal eruption of rage — the weapon of choice is usually as close to hand as a kitchen drawer.
A female, four times more often than a male the victim in spousal homicide, will probably be stabbed, not shot by a long gun, the firearm that is again at the centre of a rural-versus-urban divide over Canada’s polarizing gun registry.
These figures have remained consistent since Statistics Canada first began tracking the too-long-ignored phenomenon of domestic murder. In 1995, the year Prime Minister Jean Chretien’s government passed the new Canadian Firearms Act — with its included gun registry requirement — 71 women across the country were slain by their intimate partners, a dozen of them by a rifle or shotgun. Sixteen were knifed to death, 12 strangled, six clubbed by a blunt instrument, six shot with handguns and other lives variously extinguished by poisoning, cutting with an instrument other than a knife, or set on fire.
In 2008, the last year for which figures are available, nine women were killed by a long gun (one by a handgun, a weapon not legally licensed to most Canadian civilians, though easily obtained by street criminals seeking fire power), 15 stabbed and eight strangled.
Spousal homicide in general, whether male on female or female on male, has been steadily declining for three decades. In 1995 there were 93 murders; in 2008 there were 62. One is still too many, obviously, but the trend does suggest that men and women are becoming less hotheaded or lethally explosive on the home front, at least with each other. This could be attributable to public education about domestic violence, earlier intervention in volatile relationships or partners wisely removing themselves from a potentially dangerous situation before the point of no return. And maybe women are making better choices about the men to whom they make a wedded or common law commitment.
Yet there’s nothing in the research to support the argument that the registration of long guns is saving women’s lives — a fallacy championed by many fearful the billion dollar registry will be scrapped when put to the vote Sept. 22 in the House of Commons on a backbencher Conservative private member’s bill.
There may be good reasons for maintaining the 15-year-old registry, however faulty and unwieldy it’s been in the application, but as legislated bulwark to safeguard the lives of vulnerable women is not one of them, any more than accidental discharge can be prevented by a duly logged and properly provenanced firearm.
It’s a misleading and dramatically overwrought hypothesis.
If the theory is that having a long gun in the house puts women at risk because some combustible guy will use it in a moment of blind fury, that opportunity would exist whether the weapon is registered or not. If not a shotgun because that individual has been refused a licence after a background check, or because he has turned over the firearm rather than cooperate with the system as it now exists, then he will seize on something else to commit the crime, whether a knife, a baseball bat or his bare hands.
Women die in domestic confrontations because they are usually smaller, weaker and unable to defend themselves. Ironically, a shotgun in a woman’s hands is a great equalizer.
To remove the offending article, or simply make it more bureaucratic to possess, doesn’t render the assailant any less deadly. That assumption may feel right, virtuous, but it lacks both logic and evidentiary basis.
We all want to protect lives, particularly those lost so senselessly to a moment of frenzied and irrational thought. We think we can impose buffers on violence by limiting the things that kill, which are not merely the articles designed to kill.
The same well-intentioned assertion was passionately wielded in Toronto to justify erecting a costly suicide barrier on the Bloor Street viaduct: If you build it, they won’t jump. Critics who countered that people intent on killing themselves would simply find another means — perhaps leaping from the nearby Leaside Bridge — were drowned out. Yet that’s precisely what happened. An academic study published this year showed there’d been no change in the average number of jumper suicides in Toronto pre- and post-barrier.
Facts and realities will likely not influence the upcoming Parliamentary vote which, with some rural NDP members now signalling a reversal of intentions — from opposing to supporting the registry’s continuation — might yet lead to the bill’s defeat.
It’s a trigger issue, deeply emotional for its symbolic substance if nothing else.
Just don’t pretend that the lives of women hang in the balance of a gun registry’s fate. They’ll still be on the knife’s edge of spousal murder.

Question on the effectivness of the LGR on suicide.

ous etes con said: ""Hello officer? Yes, I just got off the phone with my son and his marriage is not going well and he was talking about suicide".

Cop's do a check and see he has guns, which he does, and goes and takes them before he does something regrettable.

"You did the right thing, ma'am, he has two rifles in his house, Nobody's going to get hurt".

The next morning he was found hanging from a rope in the garage with the car running and barbituates in his blood stream.

This is too true.

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/north/story/2010/09/20/long-gun-registry.html#socialcomments#ixzz106Cl6PVa

Saturday, September 18, 2010

Reworked Gun Registry /property or harm?

Tnarg said: "Oh yes! I know what you mean you poor law-abiding shooter! I'm a law-abiding driver and I have to register ALL MY CARS!!! I too feel treated like a special class of criminal.
Fight the auto registry today!!!"

First of all, in a 3:2 decision the Supreme court said the LGR was constitutional for 2 reasons: 1) It was under the federal jurisdiction because it was criminal law. 2) It was acceptably classified under the purview of criminal law because it was a law to protect from imminent threat of harm. So conversely, if the law fails to protect, it can't be under criminal law.

If it fails to protect, then its only value is as a registry of property. Property is a provincial matter. That is why you register your car--under provincial law, your house, your dog, whatever property you have is under that umbrella

Such "protection" is an illusion. You think the registration of the Nanny state affords any protection at all? It isn't the registry that protects Canadians from guns, its common human decency that does so.

So you want to apply vehicle registration to the debate? How many vehicle registrations stop vehicular homicides? Take a look at your logic.
Vehicle registration has zero to do with safety.
There are far far more people killed by drunk drivers each year than long guns in a decade. Did a registry stop them? Vehicle registrations are about theft and insurance neither of which factor into the LGR debate. Because that is supposed to be about safety.

Do you honestly think that my registered rifle stops me from parking outside a school yard and committing mass murder moreso than my unregistered one? Does that make you able to sleep at night?

Step back and examine a few instances. Try the tragic fact individuals in China penetrated schools and murdered kindergarten students. They used unregistered knives and cleavers. Tragic. Is it logical to think that murder happens because of the instrument used, or instead rather **the sicko behind it**?

Gun Registry politics.

I think you have a point.  Had the registry's defeat been secured, anti-registry people would not be as energized in the next campaign.  However this defeat is the best solution politically.

1.2 million people own a registered gun. 1.2 million people had to go through screening.  1.2 million people have to pay annual fees on their guns to keep their registry current.  1.2 million gun owners can have their homes invaded by the police so their guns can be "inspected"--all without warrant.  So the very act of registry annuls section 7&8 of the charter.

The 1.2 million voter's vote will be hard as steel.  They will vote. (had the registry gone down they might not have).  They will vote against the opposition parties en masse.  1.2 million votes represent 10% of the last election's voters.

All of that said, the registry represents only about 1/3 of the gun owners in canada.  The 2/3s those of us equally opposed, will be voting as well.  In the face of previously being law abiding, but now being outlaws, criminals, how do you think we will vote?

That means gross numbers could be as high as 30%.  Especially given the fact that entire families of an outlaw are probably going to vote with him.

Wednesday, September 15, 2010

F-35s again

Metasphere: Thank you for the report/comparison.  The SU-35 is an interceptor.  It was designed to attempt to achieve air superiority.  The suitable counter is the F-22.  Less than 200 of these planes were built at a cost of 500b.  Production was halted and unfunded this year.  The F-22 is not sold to ANY other country than the USA.  However, if Canadians are balking at the cost of the F-35 at 134m each, how would it go if the price per plane was 250m each?

Russian planes have always been good on paper.  Their numbers are essential equivalents to the planes of the West.  The SU-35 is rated as a 4.5 generation plane however.  The reason relates to the vastly superior avionics in the F-35.

It is easy for Canadians to default to the view these planes are for arctic interception.  However, I think there was analysis that looked at all the roles we had need of in the past 25 years.  Our F-18s were nice planes.  But air superiority was achieved fairly quickly, and the usefulness dropped as we needed more of an Air-ground role.

Barring some radical turn, Russia's warming relationship with the west may lead to negligible threat from them.  There are states overtly hostile to the west.  God forbid we should need to clash.  The future is best seen in hindsight.
I can tell you in 1977 we could not see that within a decade the Soviet Union would fall.

A military command is charged with looking at as many scenarios as possible, and to prepare the military as best we can to meet them.  At least under the conservative watch, we don't have to stand on a runway with our thumbs up looking for a ride.  A vast improvement.  We are moving in the best direction in my view.

Jablonsa: "Its a rotten deal considering the Americans are paying 132 million per plane while Canadians are being asked to pay 246 million per plane."

Ok considering your are repeating this nonsense, here is the logic:

The projected purchase price of these planes which includes cost over-runs is 134 million.  It actually is less, closer to 95 m a plane.  But the 134 number is used because we wanted to include cost of missals etc, AND we wanted to make sure our cost at this stage was on the high side.
Secondly, opponents have disingenuously added 7 billion dollars to the cost for maintenance for the next 20 years.  Some including this paper buy into it hook-line-and sinker.  While it is outstanding our government is willing to publish total cost of ownership, never has this standard been employed.  It wasn't for our F-18s which just had a maintenance contract approved for 1/2 billion.  Do you really think that 1/2 billion was in the original purchase price?  Give me a break.  So the government tries for transparency, but the partisan shills on this board turn it into a vice instead.

So, this 250m per plane is a crock.  Since no one else is calling you guys on this, I guess I will.

Monday, September 13, 2010

The cost of Mental Ilness

There is so much stigma still in admitting you are struggling with mental illness. For many, they will read no further now that is said.

I think in some mental illnesses there is a continuum that ranges from suicide to happiness and pleasure.
Some Canadians spend their lives living in the dark side of that spectrum. Some don't even believe there is such a thing as light, so long they have lived there.
It is true that there are drugs that can change that.
These drugs don't get you high, nor are they addictive. But many many people have been significantly helped to almost say there is a cure.
There is a great counseling network across Canada as well.
It is hard to keep a job sometimes with a mental illness particularly if it is debilitating. Perhaps this is why so many homeless people suffer mental illness

Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/health/Mental+health+leaves+cost+Canadian+economy+billion+Study/3505498/story.html#comments#ixzz0zT2DyRQL

On Doctors Supporting a Gun Registry

Prairie Lady said:and the Medical Doctors, nurses etc... are on board for a gun registry.  Public workers not only police who deal with the horrific results of previously not having a registry are on board.

Horrific results?  Any more horrific people dismembered by a drunk driver?  Does it matter in this regard that the drunk's car was in  fact registered?  ER doctors get exposed to a lot of excruciating stuff, and we respect them for it.  But this issue is one that daunts even their intelligence I guess.

I am sure the list would be long what they want to ban...
from Marijuana to Heroin to Drunk Drivers, to incompetent ones.  From pill overdose to CO poisoning.  Lets keep everything in context

Friday, September 10, 2010

More Registry as the NDP drop predicably spaced to maximize the bill's demise

Hmm the Star ran: "Dimannno: Long Gun Registry won’t save the lives of spouseshttp://www.thestar.com/news/gta/article/859053--dimanno-long-gun-registry-won-t-save-the-lives-of-spouses " After  listing the stats thoroughly with actual numbers to back them up, she concluded:
"Yet there’s nothing in the research to support the argument that the registration of long guns is saving women’s lives — a fallacy championed by many fearful the billion dollar registry will be scrapped when put to the vote Sept. 22 in the House of Commons on a backbencher Conservative private member’s bill"
Do you honestly think that my registered rifle stops me from parking outside a school yard and committing mass murder moreso than my unregistered one? Does that really make you Liberals able to sleep at night?
Step back and examine a few instances. Try the tragic fact individuals in China penetrated schools and murdered kindergarten students. They used unregistered knives and cleavers. Tragic. Is it logical to think that murder happens because of the instrument used, or instead rather **the sick person wielding it**?

Comments on Mental Illness VS says it costs us 51b annually

There is so much stigma still in admitting you are struggling with mental illness. For many, they will read no further now that is said.

I think in some mental illnesses there is a continuum that ranges from suicide to happiness and pleasure.
Some Canadians spend their lives living in the dark side of that spectrum. Some don't even believe there is such a thing as light, so long they have lived there.
It is true that there are drugs that can change that.
These drugs don't get you high, nor are they addictive. But many many people have been significantly helped to almost say there is a cure.
There is a great counseling network across Canada as well.
It is hard to keep a job sometimes with a mental illness particularly if it is debilitating. Perhaps this is why so many homeless people suffer mental illness
When you barely can get out of bed, when your body aches, when you can't stop crying, when you have to cope with panic attacks, when some days all you can think about it suicide.  It is hard to stay on the job.

Thursday, September 9, 2010

More LGR debate.

proffessorx said: "Why is it ok to register a car, a tractor, a trailer, a boat, or a dog - but registering a gun is an infringement of liberties?"

"The LGR protects?" "We register Cars, why not guns?"

Such "protection" is an illusion. You think the registration of the Nanny state affords any protection at all? It isn't the registry that protects Canadians from guns, its common human decency that does so.

So you want to apply vehicle registration to the debate? How many vehicle registrations stop vehicular homicides? Take a look at your logic.
Vehicle registration has little to do with safety.
There are far far more people killed by drunk drivers each year than long guns in a decade.  Did a registry stop them?  Vehicle registrations are about theft and insurance neither of which factor into the LGR debate.  Because that is supposed to be about safety.

Do you honestly think that my registered rifle stops me from parking outside a school yard and committing mass murder moreso than my unregistered one? Does that make you able to sleep at night?

Step back and examine a few instances. Try the tragic fact individuals in China penetrated schools and murdered kindergarten students. They used unregistered knives and cleavers. Tragic. Is it logical to think that murder happens because of the instrument used, or instead rather **the sicko behind it**?

Supreme Court decision

An exhaustive read:


http://www.albertacourts.ab.ca/CourtofAppeal/Judgments/tabid/84/ctl/previewSelectedResult/mid/664/Default.aspx?results=3CFD0C24-DB34-413D-9C78-B7CD77ADF323&doc=8

Tuesday, September 7, 2010

http://www.garrybreitQuotes From: kreuz.com/publications/violatescharterofrightsandfreedom.htm

?impact said: "Absolute BS. You do not give up any of your rights after registering a gun. That is simple fear mongering used to stir up distrust in the registry. The police are under the exact same obligations with regard to search and seizure regardless of how many firearms you may have registered."

Oh really?
"But C-68 goes far beyond these legitimate objects of state regulation and strikes at the mere act of possessing a Firearm inside one’s own home. This is done in the absence of any evidence of harm to others or threat of such harm—the primary justifications in a liberal democracy for the state to interfere with the personal liberty of its citizens. C-68 imposes an intrusive and stigmatising regulatory regime on the lawful activity of merely possessing a firearm in the privacy of one’s own home. As noted by Justice Conrad of the Alberta Court of Appeal in the first constitutuional challenge to C-68:"

And More:
"Section 105 of the Firearms Act also violates section 7 (and 8) of the Charter.[vii] Section 105 requires a person to bring in a firearm for inspection when requested to do so by a government official. Section 113 makes it a criminal offence (punishable on summary conviction) to refuse to comply with a request made under section 105. This violates the “principles of fundamental justice,” which the Supreme Court has interpreted to mean that a person cannot be coerced into providing police with self-incriminating evidence...However, as Wicklum has pointed out, section 105 is an attempt to circumvent the search warrant requirement. When drafting Bill C-68, the government anticipated that it would be wildly impractical, inefficient and costly to have to apply for a search warrant for every suspected unregistered firearm. Section 105 provides a much more efficient and less expensive way to achieve the same end: just tell the suspect to bring the evidence to the station “for inspection,” and make it a crime not to comply"
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In addition to prescribing procedures to obtain a search warrant, sections 102-105 of the Firearms Act authorize warrantless searches in two instances: if the inspector has the consent of the occupant or has given the occupant “reasonable notice.” Since these two exceptions allow the police to conduct searches and seizures—in private homes--without prior judicial approval, they are prima facie violations of section 8 of the Charter. Neither of these criteria meet the requirements spelled out by the Court for warrantless searches
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?impact: Here read this.  My argument is fully substantiated.  I would appreciate it if you wouldn't call me a liar because you disagree with me.
I see very little fact from the pro-registry argument.  But a lot of unjustified put-downs.
A sign they have lost the debate.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/hail+these+chiefs/3462216/story.html
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?impact said : "How do you come to that conclusion? There is nothing in the act that allows that. If they believe you have a gun they can demand that within a reasonable time you produce that gun for verification."
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Wow, its simple to find that information.
Here is a court finding, and a quote from the act itself.
"While Canadians have a right to protection only against ‘unreasonable’ intrusions upon their privacy, the provisions of Bill C-68 go beyond the bounds of reasonableness. The search and seizure powers granted by C-68 are unconstitutionally broad. They authorize police to enter into private homes “at any reasonable time” and to search “any place where the inspector believes . . . there is a gun collection or a record [of a gun collection]” and “may open any container . . . examine any other thing that the inspector finds and take samples of it Such sweeping search powers violate the prohibition against police “fishing expeditions” imposed by the courts’ interpretation of the section 8”
"Section 102 in particular states: “102. (1) Subject to section 104, for the purpose of ensuring compliance with this Act and the regulations, an inspector may at any reasonable time enter and inspect any place where the inspector believes on reasonable grounds a business is being carried on or there is a record of a business, any place in which the inspector believes on reasonable grounds there is a gun collection or a record in relation to a gun collection or any place in which the inspector believes on reasonable grounds there is a prohibited firearm or there are more than 10 firearms and may..."

A slightly different spin on LGR.

For my urban friends, I need to say that the registry issue for over a million Canadians is so serious, it could become THE single reason for the rural vote. More than infrastructure, free-trade, immigration, balanced budgets, and abortion put together. Liberal MPs are wiped out west of Sudbury. The vehemence is on par with that which still lingers over the National Energy Policy of the Trudeau era. Does that mean everyone in the west are anti gun registry? No, obviously that would be impossible. There are urban centers out here too which simply can't understand the rural Canadian.

This issue has the ability to make the next election a one button issue for 1 million of us. Iggy could stand on his head, dress in a tutu and not squeak one more vote out here. Had they allowed a genuinely free vote, rural Canadians in question would be far more likely to swing their votes on some other issues. But this will harden their opposition, create volunteers and door knockers for MPs that voted on the basis of their personal integrity and the wishes of their constituencies.

StanL: I think you have misjudged the mind of the Rural voter. What you fail to see is that we are far more pragmatic that you seem to give us credit for. Had the rural gun owner been treated fairly, and the state had stayed out of our homes, and had we not born this injustice for so many years, this issue could fade away. If the registry dies even moreso.
It could otherwise be virtually forgotten by the next election. The Liberal voter might be concerned but not *that* concerned. It is different with us. To not appreciate this is to continue to misunderstand us, and further deepen the schism between the rural and urban classes. Assuming the west is not alone, that rural voters across Ontario,Quebec, the North and Maritimes feel the same way,the old East vs. West polemic loses its strength.

Last election 35% of of registered voters voted. In round numbers, 12 million votes. 1.2 million gun owners is 10%..

Gun Registry the illusion of safety.

"The LGR protects?" "We register Cars, why not guns?"

Such "protection" is an illusion. You think the registration of the Nanny state affords any protection at all? It isn't the registry that protects Canadians from guns, its common human decency that does so.

Apply the logic to vehicles will you? How many vehicle registrations stop vehicular homicides? Take a look at your logic. Make that point and suddenly you are approaching this from the position of hysteria. There are far far more people killed by drunk drivers each year than long guns in a decade.  Did a registry stop that?

Do you honestly think that my registered rifle stops me from parking outside a school yard and committing mass murder moreso than my unregistered one? How safe does that make you feel?

Step back and examine a few instances. Try the tragic fact individuals in China penetrated schools and murdered kindergarten students. They used unregistered knives and cleavers. Tragic. Is it logical to think that murder happens in the instrument used, or instead rather **the sicko behind it**?

Safety is an illusion on this one.

Treatise on Canadian Right to bear Arms.

The Right to Bear Arms--A Canadian Thing?

First of all, let it be accepted that most Canadian law has its roots in the British Legal system--Quebec excepted.

Secondly, let it be noted that the Canadian constitution explicitly states that the constitution recognizes in sec 26, "The guarantee in this Charter of certain rights and freedoms shall not be construed as to denying the existence of any other rights and freedoms that exist in Canada."  It simply limits the constitution's purview, and explicitly states it shall not usurp other rights and freedoms just because it doesn't mention them.

3)It is possible then that Canadians have rights and freedoms not identified in the Charter.

4)How are we to know about such rights?  Firstly because of legal precedent--both in terms of earlier laws, and subsequent judgments.  The Constitution and Bill of Rights did not toss out all legal precedent. Rather it is deemed that the Laws, Rights and Freedoms that existed before the charter existed after.

5) Where is the precedent?  It stretches back to 1688 under article VII of the English Bill of Rights.  The same sort of root of law we look to in our own Bill of Rights.  This was in effect in Canada for so long as it was under British rule.
Legal decisions both before and after the BNA act of 1867 looked to this document as a fundamental to law.  Additionally, all British legal precedent weighed in on Canadian legal decisions.

6)The exact quote is: "That the subjects which are protestant may have arms for their defence, suitable to their conditions, and as allowed by law"

7)Following this there are centuries of precedent, Blackstone's Commentaries in the 18th century for example, included the right to bear arms as one of the five most fundamental rights.

8) Bill C68 that gave rise to the registry, violates fundamental rights on far more levels that quoted herein.

The Canadian Charter states Section 8: "Everyone has the right to be secure against unreasonable search and seizure."

In every other case, Canadians who do not register a gun have this right. Once you register, you lose it.

You lose it because instead of getting a warrant the rests on reasonable proof at the hand of a judge, your home can be invaded if an inspector believes (suspects) you have a gun in the home.

Ironically, unregistered gun owners are still protected by the Charter sec. 8.
 
9/7/2010 12:36:41 PM
For my urban friends, I need to say that the registry issue for over a million Canadians is so serious, it could become the single reason for the rural vote. More than infrastructure, free-trade, immigration, balanced budgets, and abortion put together. Liberal MPs are wiped out west of Thunderbay. The vehemence is on par with that which still lingers over the National Energy Policy of the Trudeau era. Does that mean everyone in the west are anti gun registry? No, obviously that would be impossible. There are urban centers out here too which simply can't understand the rural Canadian.

This issue has the ability to make the next election a one button issue for 1 million of us. Iggy could stand on his head, dress in a tutu and not squeek one more vote out here. Had they allowed a genuinely free vote, rural Canadians in question would be far more likely to swing their votes on some other(s)issues. But this will harden their opposition, create volunteers and door knockers for MPs that voted on the basis of their personal integrity and the wishes of their constituencies.
 
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9/7/2010 12:58:23 PM
I think you have misjudged the mind of the Rural voter. What you fail to see is that we are far more pragmatic that you seem to give us credit for. Had the rural gun owner been treated fairly, and the state had stayed out of our homes, and had we not born this injustice for so many years, this issue could fade away. If the registry dies even moreso.
It could be virtually forgotten by the next election by proponents and opponents. You are right Mr. Silver, the Liberal voter might be concerned but not *that* concerned. It is different with us. To not appreciate this is to continue to misunderstand us, and further deepen the scism between the rural and urban classes. Assuming the west is not alone, that rural voters across Ontario,Quebec, the North and the Maritimes feel the same way. The old East vs. West polemic loses its strength.

Last election 35% of registered voters bothered to vote. In round numbers, 12 million votes. 1.2 million votes in the bag ought to give any party pause for thought. A 10% head start?

Friday, September 3, 2010

The G20 issue drags on.

I am sure the Canadian public opinion will move.  I think 17% disapproval is a bit low.  It will rise in direct relation to time, as people forget the images of burning police cars, smashed windows, targeted businesses.

If a poster has had a negative experience with police in the past, I could see it overshadow the issue of the G20.  Because the "unfair" encounter leads one to suspicion on this account.

The black block needs to be treated as a terrorist organization, and be hunted down and taken apart.  They ruined the protest for any other group.  It was a disgrace.

If it weren't for Blair's involvement in CPAC, I would be inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.  Now I just think he should do the right thing, & fall on his sword so we can move on.
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Another Opinion: "You want an answer to your question? Fine.
Stopping the mob from doing any further damage is enforcing the law. I'm sure if there was an easy way to stop them, the police would have used it... but there wasn't.

What would YOU have done?"
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Excellent point.  You can view this at least 2 ways: 1) There was a peaceful protest infiltrated by vandals.  They were in no way protected by the protest, but were distinguishable by their black clothes and should have been seen for what they were.
      2) There was not a peaceful protest.  There was nothing peaceful about it.  In many ways the vandals were protected deliberately by the crowd.
Lobbing feces, urine, stones, spitting etc are not acts of peaceful protest.

In the first case, one splits the groups up, as is commonly done in this forum.  The second case views the group as a whole.