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(Reuters) - Lockheed Martin Corp has won a U.S contract worth $490 million to start buying parts, material and components for a seventh batch of 35 F-35 Joint Strike Fighter planes, the Pentagon announced on Friday.

Lockheed, the Pentagon's largest supplier, welcomed the agreement and said it would help ensure that the $396 billion F-35 program, which has been restructured three times in recent years, continued to meet its production schedules.

"This is an important milestone in paving the way for the acquisition of these aircraft," said Lockheed spokeswoman Laurie Quincy.

News of the order came as Lockheed continued to hire temporary workers to maintain F-35 production at its plant in Fort Worth, Texas, where 3,300 members of the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers have been on strike for eight weeks over pension and healthcare benefits.

The U.S. Department of Defense said the order would include 19 conventional takeoff and landing or "A" models for the U.S. Air Force; three F-35A models for the government of Italy; two F-35As for Turkey; six short takeoff, vertical landing or F-35B aircraft for the U.S. Marine Corps; one F-35B for Britain, and four carrier variant aircraft for the Navy.

In addition, this contract provides long lead-time efforts required for the incorporation of a drag chute in conventional takeoff air systems for the government of Norway.

Lockheed remains locked in difficult negotiations with the Pentagon to finalize the details of a fifth order of 32 low-rate production planes.

Earlier Friday, Norway placed its first firm order for two F-35 aircraft and said it expects to order another 50 planes for a total procurement cost of $10 billion, the country's largest ever public purchase.

Aleithia

12:45 AM on 6/9/2012

I live in the mountains of BC. More than 10 years ago, we knew that we had better manage the Mountain Pine Beetle. But no, "live and let live, let nature take care of itself"! Sound familiar?  Then after we live and let live and trillions of beetles destroy the forests of BC, we are alarmed at another "live and let live" natural event: Fire. 

For decades we have deliberately suppressed fire in BC increasing the fire load astronomically. Then "let nature take its course" became the mantra of the intelligentsia. So we stopped harvesting and controlling the Pine Beetle. That's right, we stood by and watched as red crept across the land, when we could have done something about it.

But, we have timber limits, and worry about building roads to the disaster areas so we can at least cull the dying forest.  But no.  "Let Nature Take its Course" has taken its course--naturally. 
This has everything to do with rabid environmentalism gone wrong, and nothing to do with truth.  It is the same group of people causing the problem, that are dreaming up fresh reasons for the world they have created for themselves.

Trudeau and Harper.

http://faculty.marianopolis.edu/c.belanger/quebechistory/docs/october/watchme.htm


Brilliant.  And he was supposed to be Canada's quintessential intellectual.  The only thing that gives me a modicum of tolerance to those who hate Harper, is the lingering loathing I feel about Trudeau.  The big G8 ordeal we had to endure could be compared I suppose--except we weren't responding to a couple kidnappings.  However, on the other hand, it was a perfect example of Trudeau's logic: what it takes to protect (all) the worlds top leadership.  In fact, it is the ultimate example of his foolishness.

Stats from trader chat...

 Its like nibbling the cheeze knowing the mouse trap could snap at any time...    
faber7vo 9:43 am: The solution, which is becoming more painful by the year and the decade, since 1980, is to purge the illuminati of their global economic powers and strangeholds,
which basically can't happen without a global war, after that, US healthcare can be successfully reeled in a big pharma is out of the way, then you whack all entitlements 100%, and
significantly cut all other parts of the US budget.  Easy enough    
OwenA 9:43 am:    
OwenA 9:44 am: What % of the federal budget goes to the military?
faber7vo 9:45 am: off the top of my head, I thought it was 900B of the 3.5T pie, oh, and there is no 'budget' silly, CBO hasn't issued one for a couple of years.
faber7vo 9:46 am: "External debt: $14.71 trillion (30 June 2011)  $13.98 trillion (30 June 2010)  Approximately 4/5ths of US external debt is denominated in US dollars; foreign lenders
have been willing to hold US dollar denominated debt instruments because they view the dollar as the world's reserve currency"
OwenA 9:46 am: ha right...

Bernake:
With unemployment still quite high and the outlook for inflation subdued, and in the presence of significant downside risks to the outlook posed by strains in global financial markets, the FOMC has continued to maintain a highly accommodative stance of monetary policy

My Friend works translating and preserving an indiginous language in the West Part of the Philippines

He said:
"33 years ago today, Pentecost Sunday May 27, God re-formatted me from atheist to follower of Jesus. One second there's just me inside me, mocking these retarded Christians, the next second I can feel this awesome loving presence permeating my being through the agency of Jesus alone, regardless and in spite of the all the selfish, mean, jerk things I'd done. I never did nothin good or bad to earn or lose His love. He just showed up because He loves me anyways. And sticks with me regardless of what a turd I am. Thanks so much God! I adore you!"

AGW psychosis

Owen Abrey · Top Commenter · Sumit Pacific
This article typifies the approach to AGW. First of all, terrify the reader by introducing scary but irrelevant facts. So if we are talking atomic bomb's worth of energy, at 93 million miles the earth receives 1,000 atomic bombs worth of energy every second. That means the energy that strikes the earth every day is 86.4 million atomic bombs. So should 400,000/86,400,000 be considered relevant? Only if you don't count the fundamental fact that the more heat that strikes the earth, the more the earth sheds heat into the cold dark of space. It does not accumulate at such relatively insignificant levels.
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    Carl Ek · Master and Commander at EK
    Don't trash a bad article with your own bad logic !!!! (I could say that is typical approach of AGWD ..... D for Denier)

    Indeed the earth is bombarded with almost a hundred million a-bombs every day. But since we are 93 million miles away (150 million kilometres for all the Canuckae) the inverse-square law reduces that A-bomb energy to the solar constant: 1.362 kW/m²

    You should read the referenced articles and talk by James Hansen, who is the director of NASA's Goddard Space Institute.
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    Owen Abrey · Top Commenter · Sumit Pacific
    oK, do the rest of the Math then Carl. How many w/m2 do 400k atomic bombs effect when the surface area of the earth is 1x 10000000000 m2? Then when you can find that ridiculous miniscule number, how significant is that by comparison, given the earth's propensity to radiate more energy out the higher the solar radiation? But the average reader is not told these things. Why? Because you have to believe the popular myth, thats why. The dumbing down of the population of Canada so it can't do rudimentary math is part of the problem.

Rambling run on sentences about freedom. A FB dialogue with Trish Reimer, and other dear friends

Wow.
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Trisha Rutter Reimer So.....what *are* rights, anyway... Makes a person wonder what the rest of the world believes they have unequivocal "right" to.
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Josh Abrey
Tobacco companies should be shut down, because they profit off of a product which is created to play off of mans weaknesses, and the end product is a slow painful death, as is the same with many hard drugs. But i'd have to agree with most of the other things here. People should have the right to live in the sins they want to. Is that not the meaning of 'free will'. If you believe in something and want people to believe it aswell, go through the actions necessary to make them choose to believe it. Making the government create rules that cater to your own morals and guide lines is kinda selfish. If you believe they will burn for their actions let God be the one to decide that, not the government.
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Cara MacGregor Hoeppner
If that were the case, all junk food, or even any food, companies should be shut down. More people die from cardiac disease and diabetes than tobacco. You can eat yourself to death as fast as you can smoke it to an early grave. Combine the two and its a guaranteed ticket to misery. How do you outlaw that?
People are finding all kinds of ways to self-medicate, the more "tolerant" our society becomes, it seems to be becoming more unhappy and unhealthy.
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Owen Abrey

The question of a right is deeper than one might comprehend at a glance. I have done a little research into the concept. A "right" is only given by God. God-given rights. They are conferred/endowed by the creator--therefore what God has given, no one can take away. Man can only recognize they exist. If they are not recognized by man, they don't cease to exist.  But "rights" that are claimed to exist are often really not about rights.

Tantamount among the rights of man is the freedom of choice. It existed before any law. St. Paul recognized all that the Law can do is make us conscious of sin (the choice to turn from God) and the nature that never ceases to have an inclination to rebel; it cannot erase the freedom of choice and the accountability thereof.  Freedom of choice is the right upon which all others are based.  It was a right conferred to man that was not conferred to angels.

Ironically the doom of man is prefaced by the deceived choice, Eve was deceived.  Her choice to sin was triggered as a result of the deceiver's provocation. Therein lies any shred of defense before the judgement of God--and that by the advocacy of the only man to live without sin.  "Father forgive them for they know not what they do" has a universal application--applying to humanity over and above the men who were nailing Christ to the cross.  For we all have crucified Him. 

 They lived in harmony with their creator without sin until the deceiver came. How long they did is not recorded but without death it could have been for a thousand years... while the impatient, fallen, angelic host watched not from the heights of heaven but from those places cast down. Contending that any being with true freedom of choice would rebel. A third of the hosts of heaven fallen to earth, invisible to the eyes of men, bore witness to these "sons of God" and their communion with God.  An intimacy they never had.  Not even Lucifer, who was the covering cherub, had that kind of relationship: the relationship of sons who loved their father.

And so the tapestry of this history of creation awaits the judgement of God; The contention of the accuser, that God is not fair.  That there is no such thing as free will.  That anyone would choose to rebel if in fact they had a choice.  And we shall judge angels from the place of the redeemed, who were given the choice.  The saints, who choose freely on the basis of that freedom purchased by the One who bore the Curse: The human doom and nature to choose wrongly.   I suppose I am rambling. To bring it back to the question of the rights of man they all distill down to the freedom to choose. That Freedom is unique to every man. That is the core of what I shared. Not that it is good that we have the freedom to choose to sin, so much as it is good that it lies with us to choose otherwise.

The Laws did have value to guide human morals, but they have been subsumed by Freedom for they were powerless to stop sin. This reality followed an age where we lost the power to choose freedom. The law showed that all mankind had become slaves to sin.  Man gave away that right to the Prince of the power of the air.  But today that right alone withstands time and eternity whether we recognize it or not.

Rod Murphy owen you are a closet leftie - and like many you base it on God :)

Sandra Easton · Friends with Cara MacGregor Hoeppner
Oh Cara, I can see why u love Owen!!! I love him toooooo! That was great!

Trisha Rutter Reimer
Totally agreed with the freedom of choice thing. Absolutely no question. It is Biblical. I guess I'm referring more to the "laws" side of it, as in our country's laws. There's an understanding out there that because people don't want their rights taken away, there should be no laws (gov't/political laws) against such things. We do need the rule of law in our country. To what degree, I'm not going to say. But it is necessary.

Owen Abrey I love the idea of common law. Few people know that Canada has common law. Different scholars point to the Magna Carta as the beginning of common law: The law for the commons.  I lean towards 1350, 2 years after the great plague in England. Infrastructure was decimated. The mortality among priests approached 90% because they were often at the bedside of the dying. Whatever passed for law was meted by priests for most matters and lords and kings on the larger matters. So the effect of large numbers of priest taught at the same time in an orthadoxy that gave rise to church law.

The effect on the rule of law was profound.   In 1350, with great intentionality universities were established, primarily to retrain priests. But this was also an opportunity to consolidate laws, so they became more universa,l so that the application of law was the same across England. Priests turned out from these academies more or less at the same time, were educated more or less in the same way as each other.  These events provided an opportunity to effect a profound legal shift in the country.

Dialogue with Kenny Pittman:

The provocateur:  

A rare victory for the people against the tyranny of the system. Thank you Mr. Harper and government, this one greatly appreciates it.

Kill backdoor registries: RCMP commish

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The commissioner of the RCMP has ordered all chief firearms officers across Canada to put an end to backdoor long-gun registries.

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    Kenneth Pittman Harper is a fascist .Canadian rights are being diminished day by day. Nobody needs a gun except a hunter and until he needs it it should be in a community storage facility at the local police station.

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    Owen Abrey ‎:)Kenny, that's not a nice thing to say...

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    Owen Abrey Did you know that Hitlers facism was actually left wing? The Nazis were a socialist party. In the early days of facism, it actually embraced communism.

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    Owen Abrey Nazism was actually closer to the NDP than the Conservatives, by far!

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    However, the root of facism comes from a latin word that meant, a bundle of sticks tied together. The first "facist" was a old king in Northern Italy. He had a mace made out of a bundle of sticks, (that was the handle). He ruled by the p...See More

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    Kenneth Pittman More Canadian soldiers have been killed and have killed since the Korean War. After 50 years as the greatest peacekeeping nation we have reverted to a combat role that will benefit nobody but the rich and greedy who holds the puppet strings attached to these politicians of ours. The defence companies are posting record profits while the innocent perish.

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    Owen Abrey A better argument for that could be made when looking at the USA. Mega companies like Haliburton have stolen the wealth of that nation. However, I know soldiers who served in Afghanistan--personally.

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    Owen Abrey They have a different view about the value of their sacrifice and what it meant to the poor and powerless.

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    Owen Abrey I am not saying I like the way things have gone, but I try to keep perspective as best I can...

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    Owen Abrey And the real experts were our boyz on the ground (girls too of course)

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    Owen Abrey BUT start talking about what Canada has done to their pensions, and I am with you all the way. It is disgraceful how we treat them.

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It is neccessary to call everyone wealthy when you are unwilling to pick up a broom and start sweeping.

The easiest way to influence corporations, is not to picket outside their gates, but rather, to buy their stock.

Most bank stocks are less than 50.00/share

If every "complainer" bought some shares, they then have the actual right to stand up in shareholder's meetings and advocate and vote according to their conscience.

I have concluded that is the most democratic way to effect change. Democracy is actually not about protesting in the streets. Although it seems everyone has accepted that without really thinking about it.

Oh, well... sorry to rant, I have always been a bit "strange". I like to think outside the box. On either side of this question as well.

Today

Protesting is a democratic way to help make the world a better place for all . If the average Canadian is struggling to make ends meet how are they going to buy stocks, and if they did have a few stocks would their voices be heard? I think not. Only the major shareholders have any clout within a corporation.I have nothing against a wealthy person who has worked hard and accumulated wealth but when it comes to oil and defence companies manipulating or putting their own people into offices to attack and kill for profit paid for by us its pure evil.

Killing for profit is truly evil.

But there are new grass-roots movements of ethical investors who are standing up and being heard.

One share is a small voice, but 99% can buy a share and be impossible to silence.

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 If one were inclined to believe this before this note, they probably will continue to believe it afterward-despite it's paucity of truth. It is the ignorant manipulating the ignorance of people who want to perpetuate their ignorance rather than be able to consider the facts from a neutral, rational space.

Good points in reply. If you believe you are in a 3rd world country, and you live in Canada, then you have a profound astigmatism.

It is true that R&D in Canada could be much better. However, to build a Gen 5 air-force, the starting price is around 500 BILLION. Few single countries in the world can afford that, China being the notable elephant in the room. So, NATO thought it might be a good idea to cooperate on building one...what a concept! Canada's 60 planes and what ever we spend to acquire them is a blip in comparison to the 2500 planes the US will acquire. Silly Canada. We have so much, but are compromised by our small thinking.

 The facts: The F-22 has the radar profile of a speeding marble. The F-35 has a profile of a speeding baseball--"speeding" faster than the speed of sound. Good luck. Learn from Baghdad and Tripoli. The stealth bombers came first and took out the air-defense. Come on people wakey wakey!

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Peorhum

12:08 PM on May 6, 2012

Well it is the JSF-joint strike fighter...it was meant to back up, to a point, the F22 which was going to be doing the air combat role while the F35 does the strike roles. The F35 is about being a bomb truck with some air defence capability. It is designed to replace bomb trucks flown by the US air force, US navy, US marines. It is designed to replace the Harrier mainly with a supersonic Vtol aircraft. So yes your right, the F35 even though it can do air defence, it isn't truly meant for that role.

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Mikey from the GWN

1:02 PM on May 6, 2012

It's a multi-role fighter just like the CF-18s it may replace

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Alethia

2:16 PM on May 6, 2012

Actually, it is a 30-50 mile tactical range. Russia does have a missile capable of 86 mile range, so the NATO strategy is to be able to deploy a fighter that can "fight from the inside" get close enough to be effective with shorter air-to-air missiles. If Russia is able to resolve and target a speeding baseball 1.2 times the speed of sound, then we would be in trouble...

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Providence

Owen Abrey

Josh. It is a good thing that "all things work together for good for those who love Him *and are called according to His purpose*" That adds extra significance to this event; you have an important job that God approves of. If it is true He intervened here, then He has a special purpose for you folk... one I think you are walking out right now. Like charts? "He has charted you on the palm of His hand." Is: 49 The word is Catov in the original which means to carve/write but the sense is often missed: Special significance is given to writing because what is written is the first step in becoming true...

Carney and the BOC--The Villany.

Alethia

12:13 AM on April 30, 2012

When I read articles like this, I become extremely angry. For Carney and the BOC to lecture poor home-owners who are forced to buy homes--slum homes on paltry wages is unforgivable. Do the math, and calculate a home budget for a below average home in Vancouver. Then apologize to us Mr. Carney.

Then there is the consumer, who carried this economy through the worst global recession ever. Consumer confidence, buying vehicles from the bankrupt big 3, homes, and durable goods on declining incomes ought to be lauded as heroes, not berated for taking on the added debt the banks and BOC were begging us to do. For some Carney may be considered a hero, but for the commoner in Canada, he appears destined to infamy. Of course let him go to the UK and get an education of what a real disastrous economy looks like. He will pine for the days Canadians made him out to be a hero.

Cold fusion Quantum theory and the Standard Model.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrTz5Bq6dsA&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/user/ColdFusionNow/videos


There's a kind of schizophrenia between the classical and quantum interpretations described by Frank Z and fans. On the one hand, modern physics is derided for its use of quantum mechanics, and on the other hand, many of these concepts are frequently invoked by the authors to explain the physics. But they do their best, given that neither is correct; that's all anyone can do.

I like what Frank has done, to interpret the Coulomb law as resonant and this resonance as the source of electromagnetic radiation, and it is very interesting he finds the 1.094 Mhz-m figure for similar dimensionality of the podkletnov and cold fusion experiments from this perspective, with his interpretation of matching the phonon(gravity) and photon(EM) speeds.

There is something very important about this finding.

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Scattered thought relating to Cold fusion and Neutron size vaccilation.

 
 >
> Hi all,
> if my theory about the shrinking Hydrogen Atom to a Neutron is true,
> you can prove this:
>
> I calculated the energy
> for to build a complete Neutron from a complete Hydrogen Atom
> to 509134.428 eV
>
> Theory of the Hydrino
> Dietmar Stölting, 7.August 2008
> dietmar.stoelting@...
> Germany
>
> Now, the energy, that is needed in Nature to build a Neutron from a Hydrogen Atom is
>
> n - p - e = 782333.242 eV
>
> The difference 782333.242 - 509134.428 belongs to the needed Neutrino, to keep angulo momentum.
>
> So, there should be a VERY sharp energy peak for the build neutrino
> with an exact energy of
>
> 273198.814 eV
>
> So, Hydrogen shrinking to Neutron means
>
> H + 782333.242 eV = n + v(with 273198.814 eV)
>
> The neutron n takes about 2/3 of the energy, the neutrino v about 1/3.
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> This can be validated with the Boraxino Neutrino detector, similar to the PEP reaction, a VERY sharp Neutrino peak,
> Dietmar
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> PS: That a neutrino with 273198.814 eV is needed to destroy a Neutron
> to become Hydrogen, may be the reason, why a naked Neutron lives LONG, about 15 min.
>



 7Be + e- = 7Li + v (sharp Neutrino with 862 keV)
1H + e- + 782 keV = 1n + v (sharp Neutrino with 273 keV)

More technical experimental results studying Cold Fusion.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B6id5Hf-xMWOYXVjekJCN1ZkQk0/edit?pli=1

A discussion around Cashmir effect, Dark energy, and potential for space travel.

“We’re always keeping an eye on potentially using this for propulsion systems for human spaceflight. Some of the specific force numbers are very competitive when you’re looking at Hall thrusters, so we’re looking to see if there’s places these can be used for human spaceflight and what type of missions that would enable if this technology is successful.”
“Can the properties of the quantum vacuum be used to propel a spacecraft?”, he asked, noting that it is not a new question. Arthur C. Clarke had earlier coined the term quantum ramjet drive.
Clarke’s perspective was that “if vacuum fluctuations could be harnessed for propulsion, then certainly our lives would be a lot easier for human space exploration.”
“When we view this question through the ‘classical muscle memory’ in engineering, the answer to that question is no, because there is no reaction mass that can be used to conserve momentum. You have to conserve momentum, you have to leave a wake.”
“However when you look at things from a quantum perspective QED, a very successful model, also predicts that the quantum vacuum the lowest energy state is not empty, but rather is a sea of virtual particles and photons that pop in and out of existence stemming from the Heisenberg Uncertainly Principle.”
One of the earliest vacuum models from Paul Dirac actually predicted the electron’s anti-particle the positron in 1928, it was later confirmed by Carl Anderson in 1932. In 1948, Willis Lamb was measuring energy levels associated with the hydrogen atom, and when he realized they were slightly different from prediction, it turned out there were some contributions from the vacuum field that reconciled that issue. Another indication that the quantum vacuum can have classical measurements in a lab comes from Casimir‘s derivation of the Casimir Force in 1948.
“Dr. Miley’s earlier talk mentioned Eric Allin Cornell who is the first gentleman to actually produce a Bose-Einstein Condensate is now researching at Rice University on the Casimir-Polder Force. He started off a recent talk by saying that ‘if the zero point field is not real, he wouldn’t be here talking about the results he was presenting’”.

The Casimir force from Revolutionary Propulsion & Power for the Next Century of Space Flight H. White

“What’s the Casimir Force? Thinking from a classical perspective, if you could put two conducting plates in a vacuum chamber with some distance between the two, and you were able to produce a perfect vacuum, as these plates get closer and closer, there’s going to be a point where the distance between the two, and it actually happens the whole time but the force doesn’t get measurable until you get extremely close, but as the two plates get closer and closer together, it precludes certain wave modes of photons and particles that cannot appear between the plates.”
“So even though you may have a perfect vacuum on the outside, from a classical perspective, we think there’s no difference in the vacuum level between the two plates, but when you look at the quantum perspective, it is different, there is a negative pressure between the two plates.”
“And this has been measured a number of times over the years”, continued Dr. White. “As we start to make more products that fit into this category, we’re starting to see more issues where the classical and quantum tend to overlap and we actually have to factor that into that design process. So there’s some scenarios where the size of these things can also incur some things like friction between surfaces that have to move relative to one another.”
“So the quantum vacuum is not empty per se. Not we ask, how much energy is available in the quantum vacuum field to do something with?”
The predicted energy density in quantum vacuum is given by an integral equation. But says Dr. White, “Although QED is one of the most successful theories, it’s also responsible for one of the worst predictions in physics.

Energy Density from the Quantum Vacuum From Advanced Propulsion Physics: Harnessing the Quantum Vacuum H. White, P. March

“When you compute this integral from zero to the Planck frequency, it calculates an extremely high energy density. But when we compare that predicted energy to the observed critical density in the cosmos kilograms per cubic meter, there’s a vast difference between these two, many many orders of magnitude.”
“However, the difference between the predicted and observed values is not understood, so there’s some interesting things we can learn in that area”, he added.
So is there a way to utilized this sea of virtual particles and photons to transfer momentum from a spacecraft to the vacuum?
There’s been many ideas over the years: the vacuum sail, a type of ‘solar sail’ for the quantum vacuum; inertia control by altering the vacuum energy density and reducing total spacecraft mass, and then the focus of Dr. White’s interest, dynamic systems that make use of the Casimir Force to generate a net force.
He described the dynamic Casimir force as “resulting from Unger radiation whereby an accelerated observer sees the the effective temperature of the surrounding vacuum increase, there’s an equation that calculates how they perceive that, so that the vacuum actually takes on a higher temperature, and appears to be a warm photon bath.”
“You may have heard of Hawking radiation”, he said. “If you have a black hole, and a pair of virtual particles is created right on the horizon, where one particle goes inside the the horizon, and one particle goes away from the horizon, then the black holes total mass is actually reduced by one particle, because one of the particles when In and annihilated with something inside the black hole.”
“The simplest mechanism to think about this from a practical application perspective would be through generating thrust by the use of vibrating mirrors, where the mirror it would accelerate more in one direction than it would in the other.”
The dynamic Casimir force was potentially observed in the lab in 2011 and the magnitude of thrust from a dynamic Casimir force has been derived quite a number of times in the literature, but its been found to be pretty very small. “So while its theoretically possible”, says Dr. White, “its very small.”
“Another way to think of this, is you have to leave wakes, a submarine doesn’t carry water with it, it uses a propeller to couple with a mechanism. Maybe overly simplistic but I think people can understand. I think that’s why Arthur C. Clarke talked about a quantum ramjet, just to help people draw analogies.”
Are there ways he can increase the net force from this dynamic Casimir force? Dr. White summarized a few claims resulting from the work that he’s been doing at the Johnson Space Center:
Claim 1 The observed vacuum fluctuation density based on cosmology is kilograms per cubic meter. This relationship here predicts, in the presence of conventional matter, we can increase the local vacuum fluctuation density as a result of that.
“What this suggests is that with in the presence of a barium Type A capacitor, the vacuum field energy density is going to be in a slightly different state than what it would be otherwise. So this equation right here [see Figure 1 Equation 1], this is the free vacuum state, this is the local density of matter. And that’s what the altered vacuum state is.”

From Advanced Propulsion Physics: Harnessing the Quantum Vacuum by H. White, P. March

This takes the vacuum fluctuation density up from kilograms per cubic meter to kilograms per cubic meter. “So you might be able to do something with that, but its still pretty hard.”
With such tiny amounts vacuum fluctuation, how does Dr. White convince himself that this might have some validity as a power source?
“Simply put”, he answered, “the reason this equation has some interest to me is that this can derive the Bohr radius from first principles. So I can go through and show that meters is a consequence of dark energy. So its an interesting finding. It’s either a pretty significant numerical coincidence, which does happen from time to time in physics, or it has some potential interest from a physical medium.”
Claim 2 The energy density of the quantum vacuum can be amplified not only by acceleration but by changing acceleration and in turn, its subsequent derivative. This is an extension on the approach of the dynamic Casimir force.
“This is the wave equation [see Figure 1 Equation 2] this comes from the Friedmann equation and then use the Unruh equation, you can get this wave equation, and what this wave equation says is that when you convert this from acceleration into potential, that a varying energy density will also have an impact on the local vacuum fluctuation energy density.”
“Why do I have confidence that this might have some some validity?”
“We’ve got some test data with several different test articles that we have run within several different operating conditions, and the predicted thrust was reasonable close within a factor of 2.”
Claim 3 “The altered state of the vacuum can be modeled quasi-classically as a electron-positron virtual plasma. From my plasma physics background we just use the tools of Magnetohydrodynamics MHD to predict the macroscopic behavior depending on how we implement things. And so this is a pictorial representation of that.”
“Now, you can go look at cosmological data, you can also look at things down at the microscopic level and see if your claims can be proven or disproven without actually having to go into the lab.”
“This interests me in that, we have shown the magnetic pressure from the electron rotating round the hydrogen nucleus exactly equals the thermal kinetic pressure if we claim that the altered state based on the equation that we just talked about, can be modeled as an electron -positron plasma.”
“A test article that we ran it at 2 MHz and 4 MHz, the predicted force was very close to the observed force. We’ll be building a much larger test article, we’re trying to get to the 0.1 million newton level of thrust, and we’ll be working on that over the next year.”
How does all this apply to human spaceflight?
“This quantum vacuum energy is centric to nuclear systems, whether its nuclear reactors or nuclear thermal rockets. With the specific force that we have with this type of system, since effectively you’re pushing off the vacuum, you don’t have to have large tanks; you get to push off the vacuum, and the vacuum needs to carry the momentum information for you, so we can have much heavier specific power systems, and still accomplish pretty significant missions because the specific force is so much higher.”
“With this type of a thruster, if we could couple a 2MW reactor to the equivalent of 2MW of thruster capability we could do a Jovian mission, and this is a capture time, in 138 days, and 196 days for Saturn.”

From Eagleworks Laboratories: Advanced Propulsion Physics Research H. White, P. March, N. Williams, W. O'Neill

R. K. Obousy
Project Icarus: Anti-Matter Catalyzed Fusion Propulsion for Interstellar Missions 3104.pdf with K. F. Long and T. Smith

Dr. Obousy is investigating matter-anti-matter propulsion for human interstellar travel.

The last speaker was R. K. Obousy of Project Icarus, a non-profit group dedicated to designing an interstellar mission to the nearest star Alpha Centauri.
Dr. Obousy’s talk was outlined in three sections: the physics of interstellar travel, Project Icarus a fusion based interstellar starship design study, and a new project of anti-matter catalyzed fusion.
He began by articulating the main problem with interstellar travel: the distances involved. Voyager I, a spacecraft launched in 1977 designed to travel to the outer planets, is now traveling at about 38,000 mph at a distance of 116 AUs from Earth. With that speed, if Voyager was traveling to the nearest star Alpha Centauri, it would take on the order of 70,000 years to get there.
“If you imagine Earth on the East coast of the US in NYC and Alpha Centauri on the West coast in San Francisco, then Voyager launched in 1977 has traveled only a single mile on that journey.” [Voyager from NASA]
“What we want to accomplish is interstellar flight not in 70,000 year, but something closer to the timescale of a human lifetime about 70 years. So we need to increase our top speed by at least a factor of one thousand.”
“The problem becomes apparent when we consider one of the simplest equations in rocket physics, the Tsiolkovsky rocket equation.” The Tsiolkovsky rocket equation gives the maximum change in rocket velocity as directly proportional to the exhaust velocity and the natural log of the ratio of initial total mass to the final total mass .

“When you plug in the numbers for chemical propulsion fuel, a of ten percent the speed of light meters per second (which is roughly what it would take to get to the nearest star in the timescales of a human lifetime), the specific impulse of chemical rocket fuel is on the order of about 450 seconds. When you plug in the numbers, you discover that you need more chemical rocket fuel than there is mass in the known universe. Needless to say, it’s impossible to engage in interstellar missions on timescales of a human lifetime using chemical propellants.”
“However, there are other ways to liberate energy from matter. Once you go down into the sub-structure of the atom, and you liberate energy from the nucleus, then you can liberate far higher amounts of energy.”
“Specific energy is the theoretical maximum amount of energy per unit mass that you can extract. For chemical energy, that’s on the order of 15 million Joules per kilogram. When you jump up to fission, you jump up by a factor of almost ten million, so pound for pound, you can liberate about a million more times energy than from chemical sources. About ten times more energy when you go to fusion, and about 100 times more energy than that when you go to matter-anti-matter reactions.”
“So within the known laws of physics, there are ways that you can liberate for greater amounts of energy that you can then utilize for impulse purposes.”
Project Icarus is one component of Icarus Interstellar [visit] which has a number of research avenues. Project Icarus was inspired by a famous interstellar study called Project Daedalus [visit] which ran between 1973 and 1978.
Project Icarus has a four-fold purpose.
1. To motivate a new generation of scientists and inspire the next generation to get into this field.
2. To generate a lot of interest in the real-term prospects of an interstellar mission.
3. To design a credible probe for a mission that we could potentially do this century.
4. Provide an assessment of the maturity of fusion-based space propulsion.
With an volunteer, international team, they want to design an unmanned probe capable of delivering useful information about another star system and any associated planetary bodies. It must use current or near-future technology, must reach stellar destination in as fast a time as possible – not exceeding a century and must be designed for a variety of target stars. They want to allow for decelleration in the target system as well.
“We’ve got twenty research modules really encompassing the whole amalgam of what we believe you’d need to conduct to conduct an interstellar mission”, says Dr. Obousy. “Astronomical target, mission analysis, primary and secondary propulsion, fuel, navigation…the list goes on. We’ve demarcated the project into all the salient research regions. We apply academic rigor and are in a number peer-reviewd publications.”
For the primary propulsion, they are looking at fusion to provide continuity with Project Daedalus.
Within fusion, there are a number of different ways to accomplish propulsion, inertial confinement fusion, Polywell, magnetic target fusion, aneutronic fusion. PB11 which is valuable because of the fusion by-products are charged particles which can be channeled by nozzles.
“So let’s say a little bit about anti-matter, first predicted by Paul Dirac in 1928. It’s a very mercurial form of matter. When it touches its matter component, it annihilates with perfect efficiency according to Einstein’s equation .”
“We believe that for all known particles of matter, there corresponds an existing anti-particle. So for an electron, there’s an anti-electron or positron, for a proton, there’s an anti-proton. More fundamentally, it’s at the quark level, so protons consist of up and down quarks, so there’s anti-up and anti-down particles.”
“It’s not just science fiction. The positron was found in 1932, the anti-proton was discovered in 1955, and really the main issues with anti-matter are creation and storage.”
“We create incredibly small amounts of anti-matter each year, mostly in the CERN particle accelerator in Europe, about 1-10 nano-grams per year, at an estimated cost of 100 billion dollars per milligram. So its not cheap.”
“However I will say that the facilities where we create anti-matter, are not specifically designed to create anti-matter, they’re particle accelerators of which a nice by-product is you get anti-particles out. So I’d have to do an in depth research study but I would say you could probably push down that number by a significant factor if you constructed dedicated anti-matter factories.”
“There are a number of ways to store anti-matter. Penn State University has created a trap that can store 10 billion anti-protons for about a week. Certainly we haven’t mastered this technology, but we’re at a stage where our understanding of the technology is maturing and we’re beginning to create anti-particles, and we’re beginning to store anti-particles.”
“It seems that because anti-matter liberates such a huge amount of energy when it collides with its matter component, would it not be pertinent to study the possibilities for propulsion?”

Electrons and positrons meet and annihilate emitting a gamma ray.

“One of the first models was the Sanger rocket. In the Sanger rocket you collide electrons and positrons. The by-product of this is 511 keV gamma photons. The problem is most gamma rays radiate isotropically, and what you want to do is figure out some way to collimate that thrust. Sanger had this idea for an ultra-dense electron momentum transfer device, something along those lines.”
“The other possibility is to annihilate anti-protons. When protons and anti-protons collide, you get neutral pions, which are quite short-lived, they propagate for about a micrometer before decaying into gamma rays. You also get charged pions, again quite short-lived, they decay into muons and anti-muons, and they further decay into electrons and anti-electrons and electron neutrinos and muon neutrinos, and ultimately gamma rays.”
“But during that time when they exist for that short period as charged pions, you actually get 1.88 GeV of energy out, and about 64% of that is in the form of kinetic energy of the charged pions. If you’ve got these rapidly moving charged particles, you can utilize that for thrust via magnetic nozzles.”

From Interstellar Propulsion Research: Realistic Possibilities and Idealistic Dreams L. Johnson

Anti-matter energy has a lot of advantages of conventional fusion.
“The entire mass of National Ignition Facility NIF which uses lasers to ignite deuterium-tritium pellets is on the order of one hundred kilotons. It wouldn’t be feasible to transport 100 kilotons of hardware into space just to accomplish a fusion reaction. What’s great about anti-matter is that its an immensely efficient energy delivery packet. So an anti-proton beam offers 90 Megajoules per micro-gram.”
“Now you wouldn’t exactly power a rocket directly from matter-anti-matter annihilation because for an interstellar mission, you’d need quite a vast quantity. But what you could do is use very small quantities, on the order of about a micro-gram of anti-protons to actually deliver energy to, for example, a deuterium tritium pellet which would then fuse, and then you’d be able to utilize that for propulsive purposes.”
Dr. Obousy put up a slide containing a list of non-conventional technologies that the Project will look at to power their spacecraft to the nearest star. Cold fusion or LENR was not among them.
At the end of the talk, Professor Kim asked Dr. Obousy, “Why wasn’t cold fusion included in his list of breakthrough technologies that could contribute to the propulsion system?”
Dr. Obousy’s reply was “We haven’t decided as of yet, but that’s not something we’re actively looking at. But by all means, we certainly don’t have a complete list of all the different ways of accomplishing fusion, but perhaps we can begin a dialogue.”
Well, after he finished, and the Session was over,

upshots on Fighters

 You do recognise Kevin Page was a Liberal stooge don't you?  Or is that now a fact we have forgotten.  This whole debate is threatened by distortions, distortions that have yet to be clarified.  I am all for keeping the pressure up, but  I refuse to draw conclusions with out all the evidence.

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Aleithia

 Cathrine, this debate has been shaped.  Canada DID sign on the dotted line ordering 65 planes for 9 billion dollars.  There was a 40% contingency added to the base price to come to that figure--to accommodate price over-runs.  You think it is a simple thing to project numbers to 2030?  What we are measuring in this debate has been changed.  We have added maintenance, which was never part of the 9 billion purchase, We have added ordinances, also not accounted for; we have added upgrades--granted an inevitability, but that wasn't part of the measurement.  There is no deception saying you can buy this truck for 30,000.00 in an advertisement, and driving off the lot at 40,000.00 once all the extras and upgrades are added.  But then to figure in the extra 60,000.00 in maintenance you will spend over the next 30 years keeping your truck on the road is something vastly different.

What has happened in this debate is that no one is keeping his eye on the marble in this shell game.

On Auditors and Governments

Canada's system of checks and balances is working.  I note the government has done many things right: 1) It accepted the report.  It didn't deny it.  It didn't argue with the numbers, or deflect the information itself.   2) It reacted.  It didn't ignore it.  It didn't behave like an unmovable monolyth as other governments have done in the face of these reports.  It immediately formed new oversight and a study to determine where the process went wrong, and how the numbers might be off.  3)  Canada signed up for 65 jets at 9 billion.  That was what we **signed**.  Few Canadians appreciate how complex these deals are.  Both sides have armies of lawyers trying to pick language that is favorable.  There are loop holes, no doubt some even favor the buyer.
If the transmission shop says to you a repair will cost you 1,000.00, do you suspect it is actually going to cost 2500.00?  Hey I could tell you a transmission shop that pulls that one routinely.  They are all set up with a car lot next door of used cars--confiscated from drivers who couldn't afford the bill thousands over the estimate.  But I digress.  The government signs an agreement, they believe that the contract is established.
4) Canada has many loopholes.  If the costs go up, even on that basis we can walk away.  We **can**,  This is responsible government.  The contracts are set up with exit strategies.  What the auditor didn't say was why the numbers have changed so much.  That is going to be investigated, and Canadians will be able to see where and if there were mistakes in the process.  While some may have a problem with the opposition parties, I say that at least we can be sure they will keep up the pressure.  But as to judging the right of this or the wrong of it, I would like to wait for all the facts.   Too often on these blogs people bail in on partisan agendas and make vacuous condemnations and attributions, I call for a higher standard that looks as *all* the facts.  That's what differentiates Canadians from a hang-man's mob.

Beautiful

I married the most beautiful girl in the world.  30 years ago.  No tummy tucks or face lifts or boob jobs, but I still think she is the most beautiful in the world.  I like beautiful things.  I like butterfies and flowers and a mountain sunrise.  I also appreciate beautiful women.  I have an aesthetic pleasure in them.  I don't have a harem, nor have I ever cheated on my wife (believe that or not).  There has been a conditioning or an instinct that creates a bias toward people in the 'beautiful" category.  I call it being born with a gold coin.  But being beautiful is about how it's spent.  Over-eating and other craven self-hatred projections on the world are the dark side of this.  But real beauty, is the beauty of the heart.  One inevitably fades, the other lasts forever.